Originally by: Muad' Dib

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Originally by: Josiphine Noir

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So can I assume that everyone who is calling for these ships to be removed from the game would themselves just self destruct those ships if they were in the same situation?

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Why SD, when they should be removed by GM's ?

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Originally by: Metal Dude

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Originally by: Tiger's Spirit

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So just stfu and using your brain.

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Maybe you should learn English before you start talking about brains, genius.

As for your analogy, are you saying that nobody ever lost a capital to lag desinc while trying to jump out of system in the past 7 months? I know for a fact that SC did, we just don't whine about it, we move on. I never heard of any ships spawning back after downtime after they lost them till now. Again, no one ever got their ships back except PL and now NC. That smells like a rat to me.

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Originally by: Nambr1

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Originally by: LadyScarlet

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lol, I wont apologies for questioning suspicious activity's in eve by anyone. And more so by anyone wearing a official tag that represents the people of eve. If im wrong im wrong how ever if the tables were reversed im sure there be no difference in the questions prob just 500 pages longer and a hell a lot more accusations. At the end of the day IF CCP fixes the game and fair play for all then my job is done.

Lady :)

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GoGoGo Lady, u have Velja support :D

Originally by: GM Grimmi

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During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.

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What r u talking about? Database problems, investigation .... all crap. Do u as GM understand one simple thing ... there r only 2 situations that can happen, and NONE in this game dont care what is UR problem, because ppl pay this game.

Situation 1:
I have crap pc or crap internet and I loose ship. That is my problem.

Situation 2:
I have good pc, good internet and I have terrible lag with 999 ppl. Same result to any1. Database problems? Investigations? Superman? Who cares? Its UR problem because u and ur team are not able to make this game to work well, and only fools cant see that u r ones who make lag. U developed game thats going bad road, u r offering with every patch more and more pure crap that can satisfy ppl 10 days till they ask themselves what r u ppl doing. I have telephone operator from 1980, that gives better service to ppl then u r. Its technology 30 years old, and u 7 years upgrade game with moons, planets, stations walking, ping pong in stations ... and cant provide basic things. I have corpmate who made petition for ark mission bug, GM reseted something 10 times in 2 mins on him, he lost 2 ships for that and result was nothing ... "Sorry but I cant help you". So everything that is not problem with my pc, OS, internet is ur problem and if u give back ships to some ppl, give them back to all from start of the game or dont give them back to anyone. This sup caps loses have no difference as lost ship in mission, killing ppl in 0.0 from other who r not visible in local, ppl who cant warpout 100km away from bubble while none point them and tones other things that happen every day in system with 20 ppl. Investigations and bla bla bla is biggest fake and cheat that u CCP could make. Yep ... cheat and lie because its all happening on ur side of game, not clients. Shame for answers like this one u make, thats repeating 7 years!

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Originally by: Robert Ger

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aloooot of crap... there is as i said a TS record, from the day, that just tell, nc got whole blackscreen, and the log off and in ... there some nc guys telling: WN used planetary interaction to lagg off the system... im just say this are tears and loooking for nice stor, because the nc lost horribly and trying to blend u with S**T

drama, and drama, as i said SHIPS ARE DEAD, WRECKS LOOT KM;
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CCP take the stuff from them, this is not ok for other players that lost much more... in over 6 months

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Originally by: Marlona Sky

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Originally by: Ishbu

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Same Form I get to fill out to magically make your ship come back to local after you jump out and blackscreen in a new system so I can get killmails?

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Hehehe...

I'm more just bumping this in hopes we can get an update from CCP on their investigation to the ghost ships.

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Originally by: Tyby

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Quote:

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The underlying issue has been examined and improvements implemented that should prevent similar situations in the future.

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same like first time...?

Originally by: GM Grimmi

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Regarding fleet-battle reimbursement and GM intervention in them in general, we have been down that road before and it's not the way to go. This has been discussed in much detail and the consensus is that it is best to simply stay well clear of messing with fleet-battles; this fleet engagement is no exception and we will remain consistent in this stance. We will not be passing judgment on what should have happened during this battle nor alter the outcome in any way.

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the only comment i can make here is that those ships where revived long,long,long,long time after the battle ended...

Also, how about insurance money? pilots that "got" theyr ships back are also keeping the insurance money?

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Originally by: Rico Minali

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So when my petition for loss during a blackscreen got refused and it cost me just a few billion, that was fine to say, NO, YOU ARE JUST A CUSTOMER AND NOTHING IS WRONG WITH EVE BECAUSE GMS SAY SO.

But when the loss is a massive and game altering hundreds of billions then its ok to make sure the guys who lost the ships can have them back? Is it purely because its easier to do nothing in both cases, as is what happened, my puny few billion and the massive hundreds of billions get stuck in the same response of "NO, we will do nothing."

Seriously guys, your customer service needs a real looking at. I know the EULA has the get out clause of what ccp say goes, but really? Have you guys really understood what 'fit for purpose' really means and that the EULA wouldnt stand a chance in court if someone really got upset?

I think its time to NOT use GMs who play eve, and look at customer service from a slightly better angle.
Anyone who actually plays eve can never be impartial. Ever.

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Originally by: butimtoolittle

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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Here is an update regarding events which occurred during a large fleet engagement in 6NJ8-V which took place on June 16th.

Some ships were destroyed during the engagement, yet they also managed to jump to safety. This resulted in the ships reappearing in-game some time after they were destroyed. Our server-side logs represent both of the aforementioned circumstances and the final outcome was that the ships remained in game with the modules which were destroyed along with them despite kill reports being sent out showing their destruction. Modules moved to wrecks upon the ships' destruction were not duplicated, and the owners of the ships received insurance payouts for the losses. No game masters or CCP staff for that matter were involved with the revival of the ships in any way.

The underlying issue has been examined and improvements implemented that should prevent similar situations in the future.

Regarding fleet-battle reimbursement and GM intervention in them in general, we have been down that road before and it's not the way to go. This has been discussed in much detail and the consensus is that it is best to simply stay well clear of messing with fleet-battles; this fleet engagement is no exception and we will remain consistent in this stance. We will not be passing judgment on what should have happened during this battle nor alter the outcome in any way.

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NOT TRUE.

about 18months or more ago there was a large fleet fight in m-0. it was during one of bobs MAX campaigns. at the time i was in KIA, the lag was terrible and lots of people logged off. KIAeddz petitioned it and said that the lag was unacceptable. ALL KIA ships were reimbursed. odd that ccp denys it. there is your precedent.

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